Ashland, Oregon Discusses Vaxxed



Editor’s note: this is the 3rd in a 3-part series about the documentary film made by Emmy-award winning television journalist Del Bigtree and British Gastroenterologist Andrew Wakefield (read their bios) about a senior scientist, William Thompson, Ph.D., who has thousands of pages of documents in his possession that allegedly show that the CDC committed scientific fraud in a study about the relationship of the timing of the MMR vaccine and autism.

You can read part 1, a journalist’s reaction to the film and defense of free speech, here; and part 2, a summary of the film’s main points, here.


VAXXED Community Panel and Discussion

By Liz Schmidt, Special to

Approximately 90 Rogue Valley residents packed the Gresham Room at the Ashland Public Library on Wednesday evening, June 1, 2016, for a three-hour community panel and discussion of the issues and questions presented in the film Vaxxed: From Cover-up to Catastrophe, the documentary about vaccine-related government corruption that has been playing for the past two weeks at the Varsity Theatre.

The evening started with a description by each of the six panel members of what they know and believe about vaccines.

Cynthia Cournoyer, a Grants Pass mother and author of the book, What about Immunizations? Exposing the Vaccine Philosophy, took us on a brief journey through her 30+ year investigation of vaccines, starting when she and her husband were young parents.

Their decision to not vaccinate their children, based on Cynthia’s extensive research, was accepted by others as a personal parenting decision; unlike today when the mainstream media dishonestly portrays non-vaccinated children as pariahs spreading disease. The Cournoyers’ resolve has been strengthened over the years as their children have remained extraordinarily healthy. Throughout the evening, many parents shared observations of how their unvaccinated kids are extremely healthy compared to their vaccinated friends.

Katelyn Carey, R.N., an emergency room nurse at Ashland Community Hospital, argued that vaccines are an effective means of preventing disease. She expressed concerns about Andrew Wakefield’s credibility as a doctor and about the dangers of infectious disease, especially whooping cough. As an ER nurse, she treats children who are dangerously ill. Carey also expressed some ambivalence about the number recommended today by the CDC and limitations of conventional Western medicine, and appreciation for the many natural treatment modalities available in our area.

Kacie Flegal, D.C. presented a detailed explanation of how our immune system is designed to develop from birth into a robust health-promoting function within the first few years of life. She discussed cellular vs. humoral immunity, how vaccines shortcut important parts of the immune system, and how babies’ bodies cannot appropriately process and excrete the ingredients contained in vaccines. During the evening many audience members directed questions to Kacie and it was obvious that she has extensive knowledge of this development process.

Lisa Nichols, a community member and music teacher, talked about how she formed an appreciation for homeopathy through personal experience with health challenges over the years, and briefly touched on homeoprophylaxis as an effective alternative to pharmaceutical vaccines. Later in the evening Lisa talked about her 2015 meeting with Andrew Wakefield, describing him as one of the most sincere and caring doctors she has ever encountered and offered a passionate defense of his character and intentions.

Gerry Lehrberger, M.D., an emergency room physician at Ashland Community Hospital, gave us a brief history of how our medical system evolved into what we have today. Particularly interesting is how so many health disciplines were pushed into the shadows during the 20th century as pharmaceutical interests exerted tremendous power over the purveyors of effective natural alternatives.

Gregg Marchese, a local activist, presented further insights into the money and power structures that influence our health care system. He stated “No vaccines have ever been effective at preventing disease and all cause some degree of harm. The global vaccine programs are perhaps the most successful part of a eugenics and population control plan enacted by a cabal of oligarch banksters.”

Throughout the evening, the panel moderator, Matt Vogel, SOU staff member and instructor, added interesting insights from his research and experience. “There can be a subtle silencing of students who bring up critical questions about vaccines in many college classes and programs across America,” Vogel said. “I know students who have been shamed and labeled for expressing differing views.”

When the floor was opened to questions and comments many hands went up, and it quickly became obvious that the audience, as well as the panelists, were informed and passionate about vaccine-related medical issues. A poll revealed that almost all attendees had seen the film #VAXXED during its run at the Varsity, and the pursuing discussion was energetic and informative.

Several audience members of the older generation described how they and their childhood friends spent a few days home from school with chickenpox, measles, mumps and/or rubella, but were not afflicted with the chronic and serious health challenges that are so common among today’s children…asthma, eczema, food allergies, arthritis, seizures, bowel disorders, ADD, autism, diabetes, cancer, and so on.

One brave, highly-functioning student with autism from SOU gave a thoughtful, impassioned plea to be accepted as simply different, rather than defective. It was apparent from the audience’s response to her story that there was much compassion, understanding and appreciation for how those categorized as ASD (autism spectrum disorder) are unique and valuable persons, not just numbers on a graph.

An important issue that was raised several times throughout the evening, and the primary reason I started the campaign to bring the film VAXXED–described by many as a “game-changer”–to our valley, is the increasing threat of vaccine mandates.

Though my husband and I did a great deal of research on vaccines over ten years ago before arriving at the decision to stop vaccinating our daughter, we did not give it a lot more thought until early 2015, when SB442 was introduced in the Oregon Senate. This bill was written to eliminate all children’s vaccine exemptions except narrowly defined medical waivers, and this threat pushed us and many other parents into high gear. Fortunately there was not enough support to bring it to a vote last year, but the word among Oregon’s vaccine-cautious community is that Elizabeth Steiner Hayward, a physician-senator from Beaverton affiliated with powerful pharmaceutical interests, will make another attempt in the next legislative session to strip away our parental right to decide whether to allow drugs with serious side effects to be injected into our children in order to attend school. This push is part of a nationwide effort, orchestrated from the highest levels of the pharmaceutical industry, to mislead, coerce, and/or bribe our elected officials to tighten vaccine exemptions and to squash dissenting opinions by medical professionals, parents, students and citizens concerned about adverse effects.

It is my hope and prayer that the film Vaxxed will create a chink in the dam that has been holding back the truth of the ongoing fraud and corruption at the CDC which has allowed our children to be used as guinea pigs for pharmaceutical interests under the guise of public health. I could go on for hours explaining this statement, but I’ll close by encouraging all who were not able to see Vaxxed while it was in town to watch for it in other cities and/or see it when it comes out on video. A couple other vaccine-related films already available on DVD and online are “Bought” and “Trace Amounts.” Other titles will be coming out soon to further this important conversation.

The deceit has gone on far too long…our children need us to act on their behalf, before it’s too late.

~Liz Schmidt
Founder, Southern Oregon for Medical Freedom

“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed people can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.” – Margaret Mead

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Watching Vaxxed is the Hallmark of a Free Society, Not Censoring It
13 Reasons Why the CDC is Right and You Should Vaccinate Your Kids
How Journalists are Censored from Covering Both Sides of the Vaccine Debate

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  1. Joz

    vaccinations are entirely unjustified. Vaccinations are not only unnecessary but also unsafe because of neurotoxins, including formaldehyde, aluminium phosphate, or thimerosol (a mercury-based preservative) contained in vaccines. It goes without saying that a distressing vaccination experience can also trigger a DHS (scare-fright conflict, territorial fear conflict, fear-disgust conflict, feeling-stuck conflict) leading to asthma, diabetes, or muscle paralysis (see also meningitis).

    It has been argued that the increase of antibodies following “immunization” is an “immune response” to the “virus” against which the person is vaccinated (the protein in vaccines is wrongly claimed to be an extract from “infected” cells). This is obviously a false and misleading conclusion. Since antibodies play an important role in wound healing, the rise of antibodies is rather an indication that the body is trying to heal the cell damage caused by the harmful toxins than a “reaction” of an “immune system” that no one has ever seen.
    Vaccines: A Peek beneath the Hood by Roman Bystrianyk and Suzanne Humphries, MD

    “Analysis of the data shows that the often-repeated mantra that vaccines were key in the decline of infectious disease deaths is a fallacy. Deaths had decreased by massive amounts before vaccinations…”

  2. Thanks, Jennifer, for your willingness to “stick your neck out” on important and controversial issues such as this. We need many more writers and journalists who are willing to investigate and report the truth, no matter how many feathers are ruffled in the process!

  3. mary korda

    Many thanks, Jennifer Margulis, for presenting this forum. (I look forward to reading your new book.)

    For those searching for a HISTORY of vaccination I suggest the serious book, “Dissolving Illusions: Diseases, Vaccines, and the Forgotten History”, by the same authors quoted in the Joz’ comment above — Suzanne Humphries, MD, and Roman Bystrianyk.

    Information in the chapter called, “The Great Demonstration”, predates by 130 years the recent demonstrations of Californians [against SB 277]. There are excerpts from “The Times” [of London] article, from 1885, called the “Anti-Vaccination Demonstration at Leicester”. This was a mass march, to counteract enforcement of “the 1867 Vaccination Act, which consolidated existing laws regarding vaccination and instituted a fine for parents who did not present their children for vaccination within three months of birth.” (quotation, from “Dissolving Illusions”).

    At that time, in Leicester, there were “over 5,000 persons being summoned for refusing to comply with the law … The demonstration. . . drew delegates from all parts of the country, while many letters of sympathy were received … from Scotland, Ireland …France, Switzerland, Belgium, Germany, and America”, according to the article in ‘The Times’, 1885.

    Elaborate banners were displayed with sayings such as, “Liberty is our birthright, and liberty we demand,” “Oppressive laws make discontented peoples,” “The mothers of England demand repeal,” “The Three Pillars of Vaccination–Fraud, Force and Folly”, and “We no longer beg but demand the control of our children.” (quotation from “Dissolving Illusions”.)

    History dispels Myths. The concluding chapter — “Belief and Fear” –, includes this quotation of John F Kennedy: “The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie–deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic. Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”

    If people find it impossible to imagine the degree of determination of today’s vaccine manufacturers (and of those who stand to gain by vaccine promotion), they have only to read, from primary documents, about the oppression of anti-vaxxers in 19th century England (fines and imprisonment).

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